Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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undeserved kindness vs. grace

by nowwhat? in

undeserved kindness means- you puny humans are irredemable and worthless, but because i am such a benevolent and magnanimous god.

i give you a way for salvation.

but you better keep working day in and day out for the rest of your miserable lives and perhaps i'll save you on my day of wrath.

Ultimate Axiom

Yes, another example of how Freddie "translated" the bible to fit the Watchtower slant.

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the-question (607 BCE explained and proved)

by pleaseresearch in

so a user named "the-question" said the jw's were right about 607 bce.. this is your chance brother to prove us all wrong.. we all can't wait to hear from you :).

Ultimate Axiom

It's worth bearing in mind that this debate over 606 v 587 is not new. In the October 1st Watchtower 1904 page 296 (RP 3436) Russell published a letter, which said (in part);

"Dear Sir, … You count the seventy years Babylonian captivity of the Jews as beginning with the overthrow of Zedekiah, Judah's last king, but I notice that "Bishop Usher's Chronology," … based on "Ptolemy's Canon," begins that seventy-year period nineteen years earlier … this in turn would make those times end nineteen years later than you have reckoned – in October, A. D. 1933, instead of October, 1914. "

Russell's reply was,

"We know of no reason for changing a figure: to do so would spoil the harmonies and parallels so conspicuous between the Jewish and Gospel ages. "

He then goes on to explain the damage it would do the their other years 1874, 1876 as well as 1914 and concludes with the statement,

"All this confusion would result from an abandonment of the Bible narrative in favor of Ptolemy's Canon"

So Russell did not chose 606 because of any empirical evidence, he chose it to support his pre-conceived ideas of parallel dispensations in his "Divine Plan of The Ages". And that's how it's been ever since.

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King of the South and that stuff

by punkofnice in

i see that the uk prime monster t may is going to see the pressy of the usa whos name means 'fart' here in brit land.

i have my own views on those people, in fact authority in general.

but i ramble as we old people tend to do.. i wonder how long before jobos are saying; 'ooooh, look.

Ultimate Axiom

In all honesty punkofnice, I don't think the WT's current crop of writers have the imagination to dream up a new interpretation of any of those old prophecies so beloved of Freddy Franz. But if they do you can be sure that they will say (as they did about Freddie's 1958 book , “Your Will Be Done on Earth") that it “points with unerring accuracy to their counterparts in today’s struggle for world control.” (Watchtower, October 15, 1958, page 640).

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Skinned and Thrown About.....

by Tech49 in

this is a little long, but stick with me.. if you recall, when the building work was in full swing at the new lakefront villa (warwick), wt was having workers come and they would put them up for a year, or more, while they were providing "volunteer services".

with that, and the impending need for hundreds and hundreds of new khs in the usa territory, the congregations were abuzz with the need for "continued construction volunteers".

recently, as many of you know, wt headquarters has sent pretty much everyone home, and is no longer needing workers at the new warwick site, as the building is mostly complete, with the dedication coming up later this year.

Ultimate Axiom

they can flip to Malachi

Seems an odd choice of book to me as it's easy to find, being the last one in the OT. Not that I remember it ever being quoted from.

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How do JW's determine a person is anointed?

by thinker11 in

i've always wondered about this.

when a person believes they made a spiritual connection with god and proclaims themselves as anointed, how do they determine whether this person is anointed or not.

does a group of elders look at the person's spiritual resume and check off the person's pioneer stats, bible knowledge, attendance, work ethic, personality, etc and then believe in the person if they have a good track record?

Ultimate Axiom

Back in the 70s there were two people in my congregation that took the emblems, a dear old lady and a peculiar guy in his late 50s or early 60s. This guy was ‘in the truth’ long before I arrived, but he never ‘advanced’ in it. He was never a servant of any kind, never gave public talks, not even the School Instruction talk, and hardly ever answered at meetings. He was generally regarded as dubious, although no one would come outright and say they doubted his claim. I was the School servant for a while and on one occasion I had to ‘council’ him for his talk. I should have just said it was good, with some meaningless platitudes, but I was conscientiously honest and told him the truth (I was also only 26). After the meeting he took me aside and swearing like a trooper told me what a f-ing jerk I was, unfit for my role, and that I was in no position to tell him anything. I was actually quite pleased with his reaction, as it just confirmed my doubts about the ‘truth’, and about a year later I was out.

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Studies in the scriptures AND bunch of Rutherford books available online

by NikL in

this may be well known here but i just discovered it.. lots of old publications are in the public domain and are available for download.

could be a great source of information for those that need it.. here are couple links.... https://archive.org/details/studiesinthescripturesvolumes1-7.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3a%22j.f.%20rutherford%22.

Ultimate Axiom

If you start a little further back in archive.org site, there is virtually everything the Watchtower has ever published.

https://archive.org/download/WatchtowerLibrary/

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Did anyone else go to this weeks midweek meeting?

by NikL in

in the congregation bible study, the book addressed how "truth" is progressive.... 18 just as jehovah progressively revealed truths about the kingdom in the period leading up to 1914, he continues to do so during the time of the end.

as chapters 4 and 5 of this book will show, over the past 100 years, god’s people have had to adjust their understanding on a number of occasions.

does that fact mean that they do not have jehovah’s backing?

Ultimate Axiom

It seems to be a safe rule to follow, that prophecy can not be understood by us until it is fulfilled or in the course of fulfilment.

It doesn’t appear to be of much use then, does it? Funny how the WT only applies this rule when their ‘understanding’ about a prophecy proves to be wrong. After all, their ‘understanding’ right now is that the following will all happen in the ‘near future’;
Phase 1: Precursor of “sudden destruction”
• nations will be saying, “Peace and security!”
• final sealing of the anointed remnant (the 144,000)
Phase 2: The Great Tribulation Begins
• Attack on religion by the United Nations
• The attack will be cut short
Phase 3: Events leading up to Armageddon
• Celestial phenomena
• Judgment pronounced on all God’ enemies
• All-out attack on all of Jehovah’s people
• Gathering of the anointed remnant to heaven
Phase 4: Armageddon
• Jehovah will rescue his people under attack
• Execution and removal of all human enemies of God’s Kingdom
They clearly haven’t applied the rule to this pile of crap.

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Learn To Speak Like A Jehovah's Witness

by pale.emperor in

for those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.

privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.

such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.

Ultimate Axiom

OLD TRUTH - Stuff that the passage of time has proven false, but was true at the time.

NEW LIGHT – The stuff that is true now, even though the passage of time may prove it to be false later.

FALSE PROPHET - Those who purport to be prophets of God but who are proven false by their record of failure (excludes the WTS).

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Ultimate Axiom

Vidiot, not sure if your question was part serious, but just in case, in the Anglican Church the resident minister is known as a Vicar, and he/she lives in the Vicarage.

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Well, I thought they were funny.

by Ultimate Axiom in

like many others, our local church produces a newsletter.

church car park sign... “for members only.

trespassers will be baptised”.. a sunday school teacher asked, “johnny, do you think noah did a lot of fishing when he was in the ark?” “no,” replied johnny, “how could he, with just two worms?”.

Ultimate Axiom

A few more signs seen outside churches;

Seven days without Christ makes one weak.
No God – No Peace. Know God – Know Peace
Free trip to Heaven. Details inside
Come in and pray today. Beat the Christmas rush.
Thursday at 10am there will be a meeting of the little Mothers Club. All those wishing to become Little Mothers please see our new minister in the vicarage.